The Ukraine-Russia War, Britain is in the foreground, the Germans are on hold, Russia is not as comfortable as before, will SWORD have the last word in the world experiencing Digital Transformation?

Dear viewers, we are together again in the new program. We continue the “Core of the Matter” program. Our topic is the Ukraine-Russian War, which has come a long way. A month has passed. Now, of course, a lot of things have been talked about, and now it is being talked about. It seems that Turkey has taken a very serious active role here, at least in the field of diplomacy. Of course, the meetings were held in Antalya and Istanbul, thanks to the efforts of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the President. Of course, it currently appears on Turkey‘s account as a success, political success, diplomatic success. This can be carried further. Can Turkey come out of this situation, which is currently to the detriment of both the world and Turkey, with a meaningful and positive position, I hope so.

But now, before coming here, it is very short. Now the war came out of it, a lot has been said and talked about this issue, you probably know some of them as well. It is said that it is Putin’s mistake, Russia made an untimely or uncalculated move, wanted to teach Ukraine a lesson, thought that it would take a short distance and even enter Kiev, he calculated that he acted a little without calculation in this way, and he encountered a little unexpected resistance from Ukraine. That’s why it is said that the process has taken a long time, but now there is one thing that can be seen when you look at it.

Nazis are mentioned. What is meant by this in Ukraine? When the Nazis are mentioned, of course, the National Socialist Party, Hitler’s Germany comes to mind, not him, but some people and elements who share that mentality and ideology. Now Ukraine is actually a place of opposition to the Soviet Union, in fact, it is at least somewhat outside the system from Moscow. So, of course, Ukraine’s conflict with Russia has a precedent. Our Galician front in the First World War is one of the fronts where the Ottomans fought.

Now, there is an issue that needs to be determined here, and one of the most important is that the British, Britain, England, for the first time in a very long time, took a direct and open front and took the initiative. It seems to be directly involved, it supports Ukraine, it is indirectly involved in the issue through Poland, it leads the war in this situation, Britain’s contact in Poland is close and tight, it should be noted, and the importance of Poland should be drawn attention. Perhaps it has been forgotten now, in fact, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the socialist system began with the rise of a worker, Leh Walesa, in the Gdansk shipyards in Poland. At that time the Pope was also Polish. Pope John Paul II, who was shot by Mehmet Ali Ağca, was Polish.

Afterwards, the socialist system gradually dissolved, of course it is a sign, maybe it was not the reason, there is already a close relationship between Ukraine and Germany, and more importantly, the expansion of the European Union and NATO in Eastern Europe, namely in countries such as Hungary and Romania. the inclusion of these countries in NATO or the EU is actually an increase in the influence of Germany rather than the increase of the US and British influence here.

When this is said, this is said. Sir, Germany does not already have an army under the control of NATO, the USA. This is true, but the Germans are a nation that has warlike in their genetics. It should not be forgotten that it does not take the Germans six months to a year to form an army. After all, everyone can see and see that the increase in the effectiveness of the EU and NATO in Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary means that Germany’s influence will increase over time, perhaps in the not too distant future. These are Germany’s spheres of influence and are actually areas of conflict between Germany and Russia.

Now, when such a war occurs, when the USA and England are involved and the world is involved, from a point of view, both Germany is dammed and intervened, as well as through sanctions against Russia, etc. It is definitely a process that has some negative consequences from a sociological point of view.

Why did Russia embark on such a war?

That should have an effect too. If you notice, Russia has been gaining from many issues for a long time. Profitable in Belarus, profitable in Georgia, gainful in Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict, gainful in Karabakh, he sent Peace Corps there. Kazakhstan was inexplicably overturned by an uprising within two days, Nazarbayev went to Moscow, where Russia won.

Russia has been expanding its sphere of influence for a long time, and almost no obstacles stand in its way. In this case, it is as if the Russians and Ukraine could achieve a similar result in a short time. This is possible, but one should not ignore the fact that Russia has been acting very comfortably lately, as if it has taken every step it has taken, and getting positive results for itself.

On the other hand, when we say that Ukraine will be taken into NATO by the West, the Americans, the British and the Germans, but rather the Americans and the British, will be taken into Europe, even if there is a real intention to be taken, if there is such an intention, it probably will not take a long time, the decision is taken, in general, in NATO, what the USA and England want happens, the decision is made. Such a conflict that was not included in NATO was uncovered. Ukraine showed a resistance that lasted longer than expected, this war may result in a ceasefire within a certain period of time, this is possible, it may conclude in a short time. However, there is a possibility that this truce will be broken later.

In other words, the beginning of a new era in this world, if you notice, before this war broke out, Britain declared that it would remove the pandemic measures to a large extent. Because most likely, the British Ministry of Defense was already publishing reports, some, but not all, of the intelligence analyzes on how Russia will begin the invasion. So this was probably predicted already. Even when war broke out, the pandemic remained a secondary or even tertiary issue, it had lasted long enough already, now humanity has entered a period of war, albeit partially.

The world is not on the verge of a major transformation, but is going through this process. This is a transformation that goes beyond the Great Industrial Revolution that humanity has seen before. Therefore, in such a transformation, no result can be obtained without saying the word of the Sword and using the Sword for some issues. This is what it means when Alexander cut the Gordian knot with the sword. At some point, humanity has to experience a few such regional wars here, perhaps to eliminate a great global war, to eliminate the possibility.

This indirectly concerns Turkey as well. Because naturally, Turkey has relations with these two countries, and it has a neighbor with Ukraine and Russia, albeit by sea. On the other hand, we have relations with Russia in Syria because Russia is also in Syria. The most important thing is that there is a question and we finish with it. There is talk of the possibility of Turkey becoming a guarantor, and it is said that Ukraine specifically wants this. Here, Germany, Israel and Turkey together with two other countries, when such a thing happens, of course the guarantor country is the guarantor especially in favor of the weak country.

Especially if Russia breaks the ceasefire and attacks Ukraine again, in later times, these countries will have to intervene to protect Ukraine, which is a completely different thing, and in this case, it means that Turkey should think over the guarantee issue again and several times and seriously. .

I pay my respects to all of you, see you again in new programs.

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Ukrayna Rusya Savaşı

Ukrayna Rusya Savaşı, İngiltere ön planda, Almanlar şu an beklemede, Rusya daha öncesindeki gibi rahat değil, Dijital Dönüşümü yaşayan dünyada son sözü yine KILIÇ MI söyleyecek?

Sayın ve sevgili izleyicilerim yeni programda yeniden bir aradayız. “Meselenin Aslı” programına devam ediyoruz. Konumuz epey bir ilerlemiş olan Ukrayna Rusya Savaşı. Bir ayı geçti geçti. Şimdi tabii çok şey konuşuldu bundan sonrası da konuşuluyor artık. Türkiye’nin burada epey ciddi bir aktif rol aldığı gözüküyor, en azından tabii diploması alanında. Tabii Antalya’da ve İstanbul’da görüşmelerin gerçekleştirilmiş olması, Dışişleri Bakanlığının ve Sayın Cumhurbaşkanının gayretleriyle. Elbette bir başarı, siyasi başarı, diplomatik başarı olarak Türkiye’nin hesabında gözüküyor şu anda. Bu daha ileriye de taşınabilir, Türkiye buradan, şu anda dünyanın da Türkiye’nin de zararına olan durumdan anlamlı ve pozitif bir pozisyonla çıkabilir mi, inşallah çıkar öyle diyelim.

Ancak şimdi buraya gelmeden önce çok kısa şimdi savaş ondan çıktı bundan çıktı bu konuda çok şey söyleniyor söylendi konuşuldu, kısmen de bunların da bir kısmını biliyorsunuzdur muhakkak. Putin’in hatası deniliyor, Rusya zamansız veya hesapsız hamle yaptı, Ukrayna’ya bir ders vermek istedi kısa  zamanda mesafe alacağını hatta Kiev’e bile girebileceğini  düşündü hesapladı bu şekilde biraz da hesapsız da davrandı ve Ukrayna’nın biraz da belki beklenmeyen direnişiyle karşılaştı bu yüzden süreç uzadı deniliyor ve fakat şimdi bakıldığında görülen şöyle bir husus var.

Nazilerden bahsediliyor Ukrayna’da buradan kasıt nedir. Naziler deyince tabii Nasyonel Sosyalist Partisi, Hitler Almanya’sı akla geliyor doğrudan doğruya o değil, o zihniyet ideolojiyi paylaşan birtakım insanlardan, unsurlardan bahsediliyor. Şimdi Ukrayna aslında Sovyetler Birliği zamanında da zaten aslında muhalif bir yer, sisteme Moskova’ya en azından bir miktar dışarıda duruyor. Yani Ukrayna’nın Rusya ile çatışmasının elbette bir evveliyatı var. Bizim de Birinci Dünya Savaşı’nda Galiçya cephemiz Osmanlı’nın çarpıştığı cephelerden biri.

Şimdi burada görülen, tespit edilmesi gereken bir husus var ki en önemlilerinden birisi İngilizlerin Britanya’nın İngiltere’nin çok uzun süreden sonra ilk defa doğrudan ve açıktan bir ön alması, inisiyatif alması olmuş oluyor. Doğrudan işin içinde gözüküyor, Ukrayna’yı destekliyor dolaylı olarak aslında Polonya üzerinden de konuya müdahildir, savaşa bu duruma vaziyet ediyor, Polonya’da İngiltere’nin irtibatı yakındır ve sıkıdır, bunu da not etmek lazım ve Polonya’nın önemine de dikkat çekmek lazım. Şimdi belki unutulmuştur aslında Sovyetler Birliğinin ve sosyalist sistemin çökmesi Polonya’da Gdansk tersanelerindeki bir işçinin Leh Walesa’nın ayağa kalkmasıyla başladı. O sıralarda Papa da Polonyalıydı. Mehmet Ali Ağca tarafından vurulan Papa ikinci Jean Paul  Polonyalıydı.

Akabinde sosyalist sistem peyderper çözüldü, tabii ki o bir işarettir belki, sebep o değildi, Ukrayna ile Almanya arasında bir yakınlık vardır zaten, ve aslında bundan daha önemlisi Doğu Avrupa’da yani Macaristan, Romanya gibi ülkelerde Avrupa Birliği’nin ve NATO’nun genişlemesi bu ülkelerin NATO veya AB’ye dahil olması aslında burada ABD ve İngiltere nüfuzunun artmasından ziyade Almanya’nın nüfuzunun artmasıdır.

Bu söylendiği vakit şu söyleniyor. Efendim,  Almanya zaten Nato’nun ABD’nin kontrolünde zaten ordu da yok. bu doğrudur ve fakat Almanlar genetiğinde savaşçılığı barındıran bir kavimdir millettir. Almanların ordu kurması altı aylarını bir senelerini almaz, bunu unutmamak gerekir. Nihayetinde buralarda Bulgaristan’da Romanya’da Macaristan’da AB’nin NATO’nun etkinliğinin artması zaman içinde, belki de uzak olmayan bir zaman içinde Almanya’nın etkisinin artması demek olduğunu herkes görür, görebilir böyle bir ihtimal var. Buralar Almanya’nın nüfuz alanıdır ve Almanya ile Rusya arasındaki çatışma alanlarıdır aslında.

Şimdi böyle bir savaş ortaya çıktığında ABD ve İngiltere işin içine girdiğinde ve dünya dahil olduğunda aslında bir açıdan hem Almanya’ya baraj konuluyor araya giriliyor, hem Rusya’ya yaptırımlar vesaire yoluyla gerçi zaten savaşın kendisi bir yıkım ve olağanüstü bir mali iktisadi yıkım demek ve insan gücü sosyolojik açıdan da  birtakım olumsuz sonuçları olan bir süreç mutlaka.

Rusya böyle bir işe neden girişti.

Şunun da bir etkisi olması lazım. Dikkat ederseniz uzun bir zamandır Rusya aslında birçok meseleden kazançlı çıkıyor. Belarus’da kazançlı, Gürcistan’da kazançlı,  Azerbaycan-Ermenistan çatışmasında kazançlı Karabağ’da kazançlı, oraya Barış Gücü gönderdi. Kazakistan anlaşılmaz bir şekilde iki gün içinde bir ayaklanmayla altüst oldu, Nazarbayev Moskova’ya gitti, orada da Rusya kazançlı çıktı.

Rusya da uzun zamandır nüfuz alanının genişletiyor ve kendisinin önüne hemen hemen hiçbir engel çıkmıyor çıkmamakta. bu durumda sanki Ruslar da Ukrayna’da da kısa zamanda benzer bir sonucu elde edebilecekleri gibi bir hesaba kitaba girmiş, düşünmüş, başvurmuş, böyle bir sonuç elde etmiş  ve buna göre harekete geçmiş olabilirler. Bu mümkün ama son zamanlarda Rusya’nın çok rahat hareket etmesi, sanki böyle attığı her adımı rahatlıkla atması ve netice alması kendi açısından pozitif netice alması olgusunu burada göz ardı etmemek gerekiyor.

Diğer yandan Ukrayna’da yine Batı tarafından Amerikalılar İngilizler ve Almanlar daha ziyade Amerikalılar ve İngilizler tarafından işte NATO’ya alınacak, Avrupa’ya alınacak derken gerçi alınması gerçek bir niyet olsa ciddi olarak böyle bir niyet olsa,  herhalde çok uzun sürecek bir süreç değildir, karar alınır genel olarak NATO’da, ABD ve İngiltere’nin istediği şey olur, karar çıkardı. NATO’ya dahil edilmedi böyle bir çatışma ortaya çıkarıldı. Ukrayna beklenenden daha fazla uzun süren bir direniş gösterdi, bu savaş belli bir süre içinde ateşkesle de sonuçlanabilir bu mümkün, kısa bir zaman içinde de neticelenebilir. Ancak bu ateşkesin daha sonradan bozulma ihtimali de var.

Yani bu dünyada yeni bir dönemin başlangıcı, dikkat ederseniz bu savaş çıkmadan önce Britanya yani İngiltere pandemi tedbirlerini büyük ölçüde kaldıracağını ilan etti. Çünkü yüksek ihtimalle zaten İngiliz  Savunma Bakanlığı raporlar yayınlıyordu, Rusya’nın nasıl işgale başlayacağına dair istihbarat analizlerinin bir kısmını, tabii hepsini değil. Dolayısıyla muhtemelen bu öngörüldü zaten. Savaş ortaya çıkınca da pandemi, ikinci hatta üçüncü dereceden bir mesele olarak kaldı, zaten yeterince uzun sürmüştü, şimdi insanlık savaş dönemine girdi kısmen de olsa.

Dünya büyük bir dönüşümün eşiğinde değil içinde, bu süreci yaşıyor. Bu daha önceden yaşadığımız insanlığın gördüğü Büyük Sanayi Devrimini aşan bir dönüşüm.  Dolayısıyla böyle bir dönüşümde Kılıç sözünü söylemeden ve bazı meseleler Kılıç kullanılmadan bir netice alınmaz. İskender’in Gordion düğümünü kılıçla kesmesinin anlamı zaten budur. Bir noktada insanlık burada büyük bir küresel savaşı belki de bertaraf etmek için, ihtimali ortadan kaldırmak için, böyle birkaç bölgesel savaşı yaşamak durumunda.

Bu dolaylı olarak Türkiye’yi de ilgilendiriyor. Çünkü Türkiye doğal olarak bu iki ülke ile de ilişkisi var denizden de olsa Ukrayna ve Rusya ile komşuluğu var. Diğer yandan Rusya ile de Suriye’de münasebetlerimiz var çünkü Rusya Suriye’de de bulunuyor. en mühimi şudur bir soru ortadadır onunla bitiriyoruz. Türkiye’nin garantör olması ihtimalinden söz edilmekte, bunu özellikle Ukrayna’nın istediği söyleniyor. işte Almanya İsrail başka bir iki ülke ile beraber Türkiye böyle bir şey olduğunda, tabiia garantör ülke özellikle zayıf ülke lehine garantördür.

Rusya özellikle ateşkesi bozar ve Ukrayna’ya tekrar saldırırsa daha sonraki zamanlarda, bu ülkeler Ukrayna’yı korumak üzere müdahil olmak durumunda olurlar ki bu bambaşka bir şey olup, bu durumda demek ki Türkiye’nin garantörlük meselesini tekrardan ve birkaç kez ve ciddi olarak düşünmesi gerekir. hepinize saygılar sunuyorum yeniden yeni programlar da görüşmek üzere.

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We have previously talked about the journalist, publicist, public figure and just a good person Okai Deprem. 

Having met him in Lugansk, the correspondent of the Ural-press-inform agency did not miss the opportunity to talk to him and interview him about the events taking place in Ukraine.

When we met, we instantly found a common language.

Okay is a Turkish citizen, from the age of 18 he has been engaged in journalism, at the age of 15 he began to be interested in Russian culture (there was a large library of Russian books and films at home), published in a youth magazine, studied sociology at the university at the same time, after graduation he continued his studies at the Institute of Social and Human Sciences political science of international relations in Istanbul. There he studied languages ​​- English and French. I will tell you that Okay speaks Russian very well.

While studying at the university, he went on a program to Germany to continue his higher education, studied in Bavaria at the Department of Political Science at the European Institute. He wrote a lot of articles, even began to write a news column in a magazine.

After studying again under the student exchange program, he ended up at the Odessa National Institute. I. I. Mechnikov (practice and courses Work and shop).

Okay Depre and Mkhail Bondarenko

Did you stay in Odessa? I ask my interlocutor.

– Yes, I started working in the field of cultural tourism, organizing elite cultural trips along the Black Sea coast.

I went to Kyiv to watch a rally in support of the 60th anniversary of the end of the Great Patriotic War, after which I had the idea of ​​​​creating a documentary film “Ukraine’s Diary”. The film turned out, but more like an amateur.

In the early 2000s, he visited Rostov, Sochi and the North Caucasus. There was a time when I once traveled by car from Turkey to the Donbass through Georgia and the Caucasus.

In 2014, I went to the Donbass – this was my first experience of military journalism, it should be noted that before the war I was there, but not often, more as a tourist, I wrote articles in the magazine “Life” (Turkish edition) about the sights of the regions of Ukraine . And at the height of hostilities he visited Shakhtersk, Ilovaisk, Khartsisk, Snezhnoye, Makeevka, Yasinovataya.

Then he began to come to Donetsk more and more often, since 2015 he covered the events as an accredited journalist.

He visited Lugansk together with the journalists of the Junge Welt newspaper in Alchevsk, Lugansk, Sverdlovsk, Krasnodon. In the fall of 2016, I was invited to work as an observer at the primaries in Luhansk. Until 2019, I lived mainly in Donetsk.

– Understanding the mentality of people, knowing Ukraine well, have you changed your attitude towards it after the war in Donbass, the formation of the LPR and DPR and the special military operation in Ukraine?

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– Naturally, it could not be otherwise. Before the events of 2014, Ukraine was a very peaceful country, especially Donbass, although the mentality of the people here is very different compared to Odessa. Then there was much more crime, lawlessness, fear and mistrust among Ukrainians not only in the Donbass, but also in Ukraine

– I believe that just in 2014, nationalism and fascism flourish in Ukraine. Of course, these sentiments were here before, but not on such a scale.

-My friends, due to the situation in Ukraine, left it for other countries …..

– Since the beginning of the conflict in Ukraine, the European Court of Human Rights has received more than eight thousand complaints from civilians in the LPR, DPR and Ukraine. However, they are not considered. Do you think we need such institutions of democracy that are affiliated with the collective West?

– Naturally, no. An example of this is Yugoslavia and war crimes there, and double standards are clearly visible, what was done in Yugoslavia, for some reason, is not applied to Ukraine. Vladimir Putin spoke about this at a meeting with German Chancellor Scholz.

I’ll tell you more: on May 2, the killers of people (those people who were burned alive in the House of Trade Unions – ed.) were not found in Odessa, although there were all the possibilities for this. This was followed by the arrests of journalists, the disappearance of people in Ukraine and complete silence regarding these crimes in the West.

– Okay, please tell us how Turkey’s cooperation with NATO and the EU is developing: common points of contact, disagreements. What is Istanbul’s position on foreign policy issues?

– Firstly, it is already clear to everyone that Turkey’s relations with the EU are no longer what they used to be, there is no prospect, the vast majority of the Turkish people do not believe in joining the European Union for a long time, and they do not need it.

Secondly, about relations between NATO and Turkey. Everyone knows that the Turkish army is the second most powerful among the North Atlantic alliance, but at the same time it buys S-400 systems in Russia and, understanding the consequences, does it anyway, facing to its own detriment the cancellation of the sale of fifth-generation fighter jets from the United States to it.

I remember what my friend, who worked in the early 2000s at the Turkish consulate in Moscow, told me. Consultants from the USA came to them and laughed at the Blue Stream project, calling it a “blue dream” for Russia. But our countries did everything for their people and economy to be independent.

– The foreign policy of Russia and Turkey is aimed at meeting the needs of their peoples, and not at toadies and flirting with other countries. Aggravation of the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh. Supply of military equipment and weapons to the Azerbaijani side? Can Erdogan overcome his belligerent stance on this issue?

– I think yes. Putin and Erdogan = they are independent and know how to negotiate, especially when mutually beneficial relations develop between countries. This conflict has been going on for a very long time, at the very height of the conflagration in this region, Russia is trying to find a consensus between Armenia and Azerbaijan, which it is doing quite well, considering how long the conflict has been going on.

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