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The traces of the El Turcos, who crossed the oceans to find a job in South America at the end of the 1800s with Ottoman passports in their hands, and lost their identity after the Ottomans withdrew from the historical scene, are still spread all over the continent today. The treacherous traces left by the El Turcos, who settled in South American countries such as Argentina, Brazil, Mexico and Chile a hundred years ago, and their number today exceeds 20 million, are being clarified by TIKA. Mentioned in Marquez’s novel Red Monday and Chaplin’s The Immigrant, El Turcos reminds us of a sad story.
In the late 1800’s, in the wave of immigration from the Middle East under the Ottoman rule to the new world, they followed a dream and went to America by crossing the ocean. At the end of their journey with brand new hopes, they lost their identities and began to be called ‘El Turco’, which often refers to the ‘other’.
The story of this sad journey of immigrants, who set foot on the new continent with an Ottoman passport, was transferred to the screen as a whole from the beginning. ‘El Turco Documentary’, the first episode of which was screened on TRT Türk last Thursday, tells the story of the Ottomans who migrated to South America from Ottoman lands in the previous century in pursuit of new dreams. We have also brought to our pages the great wave of emigration, the ‘El Turco’ of South America, each of which turned into bitter and sweet sad memories, in pursuit of great hopes, with all their history. Here are the old Ottomans of the new world, who are based on the door of the American continent with the Ottoman passport.
Israfil Kuralay, who has shot the El Turcos in a 13-part documentary with dozens of domestic and international consultants, in addition to the shootings they have shot in seven different countries, has started to follow the story of the el Turcos from Lebanon, where it began a hundred years ago. The financing of the documentary, which is supervised by Kazım Baycar from Boğaziçi University, is the Turkish Cooperation Development Agency, which carries out valuable works in hundreds of different regions of the world. Today, TIKA tries to highlight the traces of El Turcos, many of whom are unaware or unrelated to their identities.
SOUTH OTTOMANS
El Turco is the name given to the Ottomans who came to another country of another continent to work with their Ottoman passports, whose language they did not know, in the countries they went to. Since the end of the 1800s, many people from the Ottoman Empire, especially from regions such as Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Palestine, have been participating in the wave of immigration to South America.
El Turco is the name that these people, including Muslims, Armenians and Maronites, but all of them, without exception, carry Ottoman passports, define in common wherever they go. Although it begins with King of Brazil II. Pedro’s visit to Istanbul, the main location of the story is the Port of Beirut. The port becomes the center of immigration from the Ottoman Empire to the new world America. The Ottomans living in these lands, which were in crisis both politically and economically, they turn their way to the new continent in hopes of finding a job. Like the Turks who went to Germany as workers, there is an ongoing wave of immigration, triggering each other.
There are even campaigns. A company in Galata is involved in the campaign to take passengers to the new world. Campaigns highlight the journey as more comfortable and cheaper. The ships that set off from here first take the immigrants to the port of Marseille in France. There they embark on larger ships and cross the ocean to the continent. Of course, the first passengers do not have a clear idea about how many days they set out on a journey. They think they are going from one city to another city.
A company in Galata is involved in the campaign to take passengers to the new world. Campaigns highlight the journey as more comfortable and cheaper. The ships that set off from here first take the immigrants to the port of Marseille in France. There they embark on larger ships and cross the ocean to the continent. Of course, the first passengers do not have a clear idea about how many days they set out on a journey. They think they are going from one city to another city. A company in Galata is involved in the campaign to take passengers to the new world. Campaigns highlight the journey as more comfortable and cheaper. The ships that set off from here first take the immigrants to the port of Marseille in France. There they embark on larger ships and cross the ocean to the continent. Of course, the first passengers do not have a clear idea about how many days they set off on a journey. They think they are going from one city to another city.
HOW IT GOES TO AMERICA
The passengers of the new continent America, el Turkos, do not know both the day and the destination of the journey, as they are traveling to a geography where they cannot look at the map and do not know the exact location. The Ottomans, who set out in New York upon the invitation of their relatives, were not taken in due to the quota of the American government, and were taken to other ports by ships. They go to Mexico, Buenos Aires, Rio de Janeiro. Saying ‘This is America’, many people begin to settle in the south of the continent. The first immigrants, mostly Armenians, use the coffee house of an Istanbul-born Jew, together with Christian and Muslim Arabs, as a meeting and job search center abroad.
THE REASON OF MIGRATION IS POLITICAL
The idea of a new beginning in the new world was implemented more actively in regions where more specific problems were experienced, as well as the general depression experienced in almost every region of the Ottoman Empire. There is also an intense wave of immigration from the Palestinian region. In fact, the second largest population of Chile today is Palestinians in origin. This is one of the reasons behind the fact that Venezuela and Chile were the first two countries to send Israeli ambassadors back to their countries in the face of Israeli barbarism in the Israel-Palestine issue. There is even a team called ‘Palestine’ in the first league in Chile today, it was founded in 1920. It is even older than the history of Israel, which claims Palestinian land.
TWO ACTORS OF THE STORY: PEDRO AND ABDULHAMID
In fact, the first question that comes to mind when you hear the story of the El Turko people is why the direction of the migration was the Americas. It is known that during the first period, Europe was also dealing with its own crises. It is known that the European continent is not a suitable place to establish a new world. The second factor is Pedro’s Ottoman visit. King of Brazil Pedro, II. is coming to visit the Ottoman Empire to meet with Abdulhamid. Since slavery was abolished, the Brazilian king sees his visit as an opportunity to meet the need for workers in his country. When he arrives, he goes not only to Istanbul, but also to Egypt and Lebanon, and invites him wherever he goes. He says ‘Come and find a job in our country’. When economic and social difficulties are experienced here, the king’s suggestion seems reasonable to people who hear the call. Khalil Gibran’s family is one of the families that migrated at that time.
Alberto Jesus – Director of the Immigration Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Argentina
The language is gone, the food is left
I am El Turco. My father’s father was Syrian. His mother, on the other hand, came from a family of Syrian origin living in Lebanon. My grandfather came with his brothers and they soon started to deal with trade. 200 km from Buenos Aires when my grandmother came to this land without knowing where she was going. settled in the city called Mar del Plata in the south. They had 11 children. This story is the story of the necessity of living in an unknown place, but at the same time being able to quickly integrate into this land and the families of 11 children continuing this harmony. Contrary to the gastronomy of the places they came from, my family could not keep the language very well. We can attribute this to Argentina‘s rapid integration into its traditions. This is actually something that covers all El Turco’s.
Heloisa Julien – Secretary General of the Arab Cultural Center / Brazil
They entered the trade
The unchangeable rule for every immigrant who came here was that these people, who were Ottoman subjects, entered the peddling business. They would take a parcel on their seat and go to the farms and try to open their parcels there and sell their goods. While Italian and Spanish immigrants worked on the farms, the El Turcos were engaged in trade, albeit small. Many Ottoman immigrants were marrying Spanish or Italian women they met on the farms they went to for trade.
Anibal Y. Jozami – Rector of the National March 3 University / Argentina
Coming did not come back
Our arrival here took place around 1895, when one of my great-uncles immigrated here from Lebanon‘s northern region, which was home to the Christian Orthodox communities. My father’s father, who had never thought of settling down in Argentina until that moment, fell ill shortly after he came here only to complete some official transactions, and his illness got worse day by day for two and a half years. My father, who is an army officer in Lebanon under the French Mandate, also comes to Argentina to take care of his father’s illness and to take him back to Lebanon as soon as he recovers. My father, who came to Argentina temporarily for my grandfather, so he stays in Argentina and our family starts to grow here.
Shakira da El Turco
Although the exact figures are not known today, it is said that there are 20 million El Turcos in total on the continent, mostly in Brazil. Among the millions of El Turco, the world-famous El Turcos have also emerged. It is known that there are many more famous El Turco from the world of music, cinema and sports, led by former Argentine president Carlos Menem, Carlos Slim and Salma Hayek, known as one of the richest businessmen in the world, and Shakira.
They were also on the Titanic
Israfil Kuralay says that in addition to the three Turks from Bingöl, on the Titanic, which sank on its first voyage in 1912, there were many more el Turko. Kuralay explains that the El Turcos boarded the ship while it was departing from Marseille, and that the El Turko Research Center in Lebanon has the names of the El Turko people who got on the ship. Considering that the first migration movements started in the 1850s, it is possible to say that the El Turkos were economically successful in a very short time before they could board the Titanic.
They taught credit
Since the first migration date, El Turcos do not deal with agriculture in the new world. In other words, they don’t want to deal with it. Even if they are small businesses, they tend towards commerce. They are engaged in peddling. They sell everything they find in their small stalls, where they can carry with them, going from door to door, from village to village. They introduce South America in a brand new way they didn’t know; Credit system. As they are directly involved in trade, El Turcos draw many rich people from among them in a short time.
Ottoman did not want immigration
While there was a wave of immigration, the Ottoman Empire was closely related to the subject. The negative aspects of migration begin to be seen in many aspects. The state first tries to prevent it, but when it cannot overcome it, it sets rules. During the reign of Sultan Abdulhamid, it was said, ‘Don’t let the Muslims go, let the non-Muslims go’. But it is impossible to prevent. Those who do not go also encourage those who do not go to buy houses, land and mounts. But most of those who go cannot come. The road is long, the world is new, and the Ottoman Empire, with which they went with their passports, will soon become a part of history.
El Turko Diaries Ottoman Traces in Latin America
Dr. Israfil Kuralay PROFILE BOOK
Israfil Kuralay, in his book El Turko Chronicles, tells the story of the immigrants who arrived in the Americas in the 19th century with their passports after long and difficult journeys. The dramatic migration stories of around 30 million Ottoman citizens, who are known as “El Turko”, who spread all over the continent, especially living in South America, from generation to generation, and their struggles to advance in class and gain social prestige are worth reading.
Kuralay shares his experiences in the footsteps of El Turkos during his tour of Latin America, which is also presented as a 13-part documentary, in the form of diaries. With his diaries from Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, Chile and Mexico, he touches on the causes of migration and the difficult struggles in the countries of destination.
Artifacts excavated from Karahantepe were exhibited in the Karahantepe and Neolithic Human Exhibition, which was prepared for the launch of Taş Tepes in Şanlıurfa. The works were viewed for the first time.
After the First World War, the relations between Turkey and the Turkish world became very limited. When the USSR collapsed, new opportunities arose for the cooperation of the Turkish world. In 1992, the “Turkish-Speaking Heads of State Summit” was held in Ankara under the leadership of Turkey. In 2009, the Cooperation Council of Turkic Speaking Countries, namely the Turkic Council, was established. The Turkic Council, which draws its strength from the common language and culture of its people, took a historic step at the 8th Summit held in Istanbul on 12 November 2021 and declared its name as the “Organization of Turkic States”. This association aims to contribute to peace and friendship on a global and regional scale, as well as to serve goals such as economic development and cultural cooperation among member states. In this context, the strengthening of relations between Turkey and Uzbekistan is of historical importance.
THE CITY THAT SHINES THE WORLD
Khiva, one of the historical cities of Uzbekistan such as Samarkand and Bukhara, has gained a reputation as the homeland of the Khwarazmshahs. The city of Khiva, which has been the capital of the Khiva Khanate since 1598, preserves its ancient historical beauties with its wonderful architectural structures in the heart of Central Asia. The city was chosen as the Cultural Capital of the Turkish World in 2020, in commemoration of the 1000th anniversary of Celaleddin’s accession to the throne. In 2022, it transferred the flag to Bursa. The Silk Road has been the carrier of culture and civilization throughout history. Today, it has started to perform its role vigorously again.
Hive, the exceptional city of the Silk Road, is like a living fairy tale town. Hive is a legendary city that shines a light on the world with its cultural values, the state, science and art people it has trained, as well as its architectural works. When the sun comes up, the red brick walls shine like gold, while the turquoise and green domes of the magnificent buildings sparkle like diamonds. It presents an extraordinary color riot that the audience will never forget. At night, the moon rises with the clarity of a bride’s face. The snow that covers the domes of the fairy tale city in winter transforms the city into a bridal beauty. Like a golden necklace in the middle of the desert, the 6-meter-high walls surrounding the city have a length of 10 km. Inside these walls, there are many palaces, mosques, small mosques, madrasas and tombs that impress the visitors.
The land of Khiva has also been home to many scientists, historians, poets, painters and musicians. Scholars such as Muhammed Musa el-Harezmi, Ebu Abdullah el-Khwarizmi, Abu Reyhan Muhammed el-Biruni enlightened the world with their works in almost every field from mathematics to astronomy, from history to health sciences. Hive has a deep-rooted history dating back 2500 years, in the south of the Aral Sea, near the Amuderya (Ceyhun) river. The city, which is one of the most important stops of the Silk Road route, is one of the “heart-gâh” cities of the Oghuz Turks. The city, which met with Islam in 712; It has been the favorite of great states such as Ghaznavids, Seljuks and Harzemshahs. Unfortunately, at the end of 1220, the Mongols captured and destroyed the capital of the Khwarazmshahs, Gürgench and Khiva.
COMMON HERO JALADEDIN
Celaleddin Harzemşah fought heroically many times against Genghis Khan’s army, which was considered invincible. In the war he continued until the edge of the Sind River in 1221, he ignored Genghis’ call to surrender and rode his horse to the river on the edge of the cliff. When he came out of the river, he raised the sword in his hand towards Cengiz and called “Come, let’s fight head to head”. But no Mongol dared to ride after him. That’s when Cengiz said: “I need such a son to rule the world” and expressed his respect for his heroism.
Celaleddin Harzemşah, who had a full national consciousness, saw himself as the heir of the Great Seljuks and the defender of Islam against the Mongols. He was one of the bravest and most prosperous rulers of Turkish-Islamic history. He gained a great reputation with his struggle against the Mongols and was known as a hero who defended Islam.
Namık Kemal, who wrote a play called Celaleddin Harzemşah, presents him as a model hero to Turkish youth. Namık Kemal portrays the exemplary personality of Celaleddin Harzemşah, who bravely defended the Islamic and Turkish world against the Mongols, in this work of which he also expressed his admiration. Even after Celaleddin passed away after an epic struggle of eleven years, the Mongols continued to fear and admire him. Celaleddin, who was presented by Namık Kemal as one of the greatest commanders of the Turkish nation, is remembered for fighting against the Mongols with great courage and being martyred for the sake of homeland, nation and religion, just as Selahaddin Ayyubi had achieved in his struggle against the Crusaders.
Uzbek poet and novelist Erkin Samandar also writes a novel called Celaleddin and successfully presents him as a unique hero in courage, a brave commander, a great Khwarazmshah, an immortal national hero of the Turks. While Genghis Khan was taking over the sultans of all sizes and advancing, Celaleddin bravely resisted him and for eleven years, by raising the flag of freedom in Turkestan, India, Iran and the Caucasus, he joined his forces and succeeded in stopping and defeating the Mongol army.
Celaleddin Harzemşah also had the ability to write Persian poetry like Yavuz Selim. One verse is as follows:
Der rezm âhanimu der bezm çu mûm
Ber dost mübârekimu ber düşmen şûm
We are like iron in war, candle at the feast
We bring blessings to our friend, bad luck to the enemy
TURKISH WORLD IS IN SOLIDARITY
The revival of the historic Silk Road is closely related to maintaining peace and stability on the route from Beijing to London. While the eyes of the world are on Turkey, the message of our esteemed President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Uzbekistan, the country of Emir Timur, from Khiva, the homeland of Celaleddin Harzemshah, whose heroism Genghis Khan envied, is very important:
The grandchildren of Celaleddin are in unity and solidarity. and Turkey is always on the side of Uzbekistan. Turkey continues to take impartial but brave steps towards peace by adhering to international norms with common sense so that new crises and wars do not break out in other geographies. In this context, the territorial integrity and independence of the countries in the Balkans, Caucasus and Central Asia are important. Turkey stands by the countries and peoples in this geography. The Turkish World is not alone.
The Ukraine-Russia War, Britain is in the foreground, the Germans are on hold, Russia is not as comfortable as before, will SWORD have the last word in the world experiencing Digital Transformation?
Dear viewers, we are together again in the new program. We continue the “Core of the Matter” program. Our topic is the Ukraine-Russian War, which has come a long way. A month has passed. Now, of course, a lot of things have been talked about, and now it is being talked about. It seems that Turkey has taken a very serious active role here, at least in the field of diplomacy. Of course, the meetings were held in Antalya and Istanbul, thanks to the efforts of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the President. Of course, it currently appears on Turkey‘s account as a success, political success, diplomatic success. This can be carried further. Can Turkey come out of this situation, which is currently to the detriment of both the world and Turkey, with a meaningful and positive position, I hope so.
But now, before coming here, it is very short. Now the war came out of it, a lot has been said and talked about this issue, you probably know some of them as well. It is said that it is Putin’s mistake, Russia made an untimely or uncalculated move, wanted to teach Ukraine a lesson, thought that it would take a short distance and even enter Kiev, he calculated that he acted a little without calculation in this way, and he encountered a little unexpected resistance from Ukraine. That’s why it is said that the process has taken a long time, but now there is one thing that can be seen when you look at it.
Nazis are mentioned. What is meant by this in Ukraine? When the Nazis are mentioned, of course, the National Socialist Party, Hitler’s Germany comes to mind, not him, but some people and elements who share that mentality and ideology. Now Ukraine is actually a place of opposition to the Soviet Union, in fact, it is at least somewhat outside the system from Moscow. So, of course, Ukraine’s conflict with Russia has a precedent. Our Galician front in the First World War is one of the fronts where the Ottomans fought.
Now, there is an issue that needs to be determined here, and one of the most important is that the British, Britain, England, for the first time in a very long time, took a direct and open front and took the initiative. It seems to be directly involved, it supports Ukraine, it is indirectly involved in the issue through Poland, it leads the war in this situation, Britain’s contact in Poland is close and tight, it should be noted, and the importance of Poland should be drawn attention. Perhaps it has been forgotten now, in fact, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the socialist system began with the rise of a worker, Leh Walesa, in the Gdansk shipyards in Poland. At that time the Pope was also Polish. Pope John Paul II, who was shot by Mehmet Ali Ağca, was Polish.
Afterwards, the socialist system gradually dissolved, of course it is a sign, maybe it was not the reason, there is already a close relationship between Ukraine and Germany, and more importantly, the expansion of the European Union and NATO in Eastern Europe, namely in countries such as Hungary and Romania. the inclusion of these countries in NATO or the EU is actually an increase in the influence of Germany rather than the increase of the US and British influence here.
When this is said, this is said. Sir, Germany does not already have an army under the control of NATO, the USA. This is true, but the Germans are a nation that has warlike in their genetics. It should not be forgotten that it does not take the Germans six months to a year to form an army. After all, everyone can see and see that the increase in the effectiveness of the EU and NATO in Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary means that Germany’s influence will increase over time, perhaps in the not too distant future. These are Germany’s spheres of influence and are actually areas of conflict between Germany and Russia.
Now, when such a war occurs, when the USA and England are involved and the world is involved, from a point of view, both Germany is dammed and intervened, as well as through sanctions against Russia, etc. It is definitely a process that has some negative consequences from a sociological point of view.
Why did Russia embark on such a war?
That should have an effect too. If you notice, Russia has been gaining from many issues for a long time. Profitable in Belarus, profitable in Georgia, gainful in Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict, gainful in Karabakh, he sent Peace Corps there. Kazakhstan was inexplicably overturned by an uprising within two days, Nazarbayev went to Moscow, where Russia won.
Russia has been expanding its sphere of influence for a long time, and almost no obstacles stand in its way. In this case, it is as if the Russians and Ukraine could achieve a similar result in a short time. This is possible, but one should not ignore the fact that Russia has been acting very comfortably lately, as if it has taken every step it has taken, and getting positive results for itself.
On the other hand, when we say that Ukraine will be taken into NATO by the West, the Americans, the British and the Germans, but rather the Americans and the British, will be taken into Europe, even if there is a real intention to be taken, if there is such an intention, it probably will not take a long time, the decision is taken, in general, in NATO, what the USA and England want happens, the decision is made. Such a conflict that was not included in NATO was uncovered. Ukraine showed a resistance that lasted longer than expected, this war may result in a ceasefire within a certain period of time, this is possible, it may conclude in a short time. However, there is a possibility that this truce will be broken later.
In other words, the beginning of a new era in this world, if you notice, before this war broke out, Britain declared that it would remove the pandemic measures to a large extent. Because most likely, the British Ministry of Defense was already publishing reports, some, but not all, of the intelligence analyzes on how Russia will begin the invasion. So this was probably predicted already. Even when war broke out, the pandemic remained a secondary or even tertiary issue, it had lasted long enough already, now humanity has entered a period of war, albeit partially.
The world is not on the verge of a major transformation, but is going through this process. This is a transformation that goes beyond the Great Industrial Revolution that humanity has seen before. Therefore, in such a transformation, no result can be obtained without saying the word of the Sword and using the Sword for some issues. This is what it means when Alexander cut the Gordian knot with the sword. At some point, humanity has to experience a few such regional wars here, perhaps to eliminate a great global war, to eliminate the possibility.
This indirectly concerns Turkey as well. Because naturally, Turkey has relations with these two countries, and it has a neighbor with Ukraine and Russia, albeit by sea. On the other hand, we have relations with Russia in Syria because Russia is also in Syria. The most important thing is that there is a question and we finish with it. There is talk of the possibility of Turkey becoming a guarantor, and it is said that Ukraine specifically wants this. Here, Germany, Israel and Turkey together with two other countries, when such a thing happens, of course the guarantor country is the guarantor especially in favor of the weak country.
Especially if Russia breaks the ceasefire and attacks Ukraine again, in later times, these countries will have to intervene to protect Ukraine, which is a completely different thing, and in this case, it means that Turkey should think over the guarantee issue again and several times and seriously. .
I pay my respects to all of you, see you again in new programs.
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Ukrayna Rusya Savaşı
Ukrayna Rusya Savaşı, İngiltere ön planda, Almanlar şu an beklemede, Rusya daha öncesindeki gibi rahat değil, Dijital Dönüşümü yaşayan dünyada son sözü yine KILIÇ MI söyleyecek?
Sayın ve sevgili izleyicilerim yeni programda yeniden bir aradayız. “Meselenin Aslı” programına devam ediyoruz. Konumuz epey bir ilerlemiş olan Ukrayna Rusya Savaşı. Bir ayı geçti geçti. Şimdi tabii çok şey konuşuldu bundan sonrası da konuşuluyor artık. Türkiye’nin burada epey ciddi bir aktif rol aldığı gözüküyor, en azından tabii diploması alanında. Tabii Antalya’da ve İstanbul’da görüşmelerin gerçekleştirilmiş olması, Dışişleri Bakanlığının ve Sayın Cumhurbaşkanının gayretleriyle. Elbette bir başarı, siyasi başarı, diplomatik başarı olarak Türkiye’nin hesabında gözüküyor şu anda. Bu daha ileriye de taşınabilir, Türkiye buradan, şu anda dünyanın da Türkiye’nin de zararına olan durumdan anlamlı ve pozitif bir pozisyonla çıkabilir mi, inşallah çıkar öyle diyelim.
Ancak şimdi buraya gelmeden önce çok kısa şimdi savaş ondan çıktı bundan çıktı bu konuda çok şey söyleniyor söylendi konuşuldu, kısmen de bunların da bir kısmını biliyorsunuzdur muhakkak. Putin’in hatası deniliyor, Rusya zamansız veya hesapsız hamle yaptı, Ukrayna’ya bir ders vermek istedi kısa zamanda mesafe alacağını hatta Kiev’e bile girebileceğini düşündü hesapladı bu şekilde biraz da hesapsız da davrandı ve Ukrayna’nın biraz da belki beklenmeyen direnişiyle karşılaştı bu yüzden süreç uzadı deniliyor ve fakat şimdi bakıldığında görülen şöyle bir husus var.
Nazilerden bahsediliyor Ukrayna’da buradan kasıt nedir. Naziler deyince tabii Nasyonel Sosyalist Partisi, Hitler Almanya’sı akla geliyor doğrudan doğruya o değil, o zihniyet ideolojiyi paylaşan birtakım insanlardan, unsurlardan bahsediliyor. Şimdi Ukrayna aslında Sovyetler Birliği zamanında da zaten aslında muhalif bir yer, sisteme Moskova’ya en azından bir miktar dışarıda duruyor. Yani Ukrayna’nın Rusya ile çatışmasının elbette bir evveliyatı var. Bizim de Birinci Dünya Savaşı’nda Galiçya cephemiz Osmanlı’nın çarpıştığı cephelerden biri.
Şimdi burada görülen, tespit edilmesi gereken bir husus var ki en önemlilerinden birisi İngilizlerin Britanya’nın İngiltere’nin çok uzun süreden sonra ilk defa doğrudan ve açıktan bir ön alması, inisiyatif alması olmuş oluyor. Doğrudan işin içinde gözüküyor, Ukrayna’yı destekliyor dolaylı olarak aslında Polonya üzerinden de konuya müdahildir, savaşa bu duruma vaziyet ediyor, Polonya’da İngiltere’nin irtibatı yakındır ve sıkıdır, bunu da not etmek lazım ve Polonya’nın önemine de dikkat çekmek lazım. Şimdi belki unutulmuştur aslında Sovyetler Birliğinin ve sosyalist sistemin çökmesi Polonya’da Gdansk tersanelerindeki bir işçinin Leh Walesa’nın ayağa kalkmasıyla başladı. O sıralarda Papa da Polonyalıydı. Mehmet Ali Ağca tarafından vurulan Papa ikinci Jean Paul Polonyalıydı.
Akabinde sosyalist sistem peyderper çözüldü, tabii ki o bir işarettir belki, sebep o değildi, Ukrayna ile Almanya arasında bir yakınlık vardır zaten, ve aslında bundan daha önemlisi Doğu Avrupa’da yani Macaristan, Romanya gibi ülkelerde Avrupa Birliği’nin ve NATO’nun genişlemesi bu ülkelerin NATO veya AB’ye dahil olması aslında burada ABD ve İngiltere nüfuzunun artmasından ziyade Almanya’nın nüfuzunun artmasıdır.
Bu söylendiği vakit şu söyleniyor. Efendim, Almanya zaten Nato’nun ABD’nin kontrolünde zaten ordu da yok. bu doğrudur ve fakat Almanlar genetiğinde savaşçılığı barındıran bir kavimdir millettir. Almanların ordu kurması altı aylarını bir senelerini almaz, bunu unutmamak gerekir. Nihayetinde buralarda Bulgaristan’da Romanya’da Macaristan’da AB’nin NATO’nun etkinliğinin artması zaman içinde, belki de uzak olmayan bir zaman içinde Almanya’nın etkisinin artması demek olduğunu herkes görür, görebilir böyle bir ihtimal var. Buralar Almanya’nın nüfuz alanıdır ve Almanya ile Rusya arasındaki çatışma alanlarıdır aslında.
Şimdi böyle bir savaş ortaya çıktığında ABD ve İngiltere işin içine girdiğinde ve dünya dahil olduğunda aslında bir açıdan hem Almanya’ya baraj konuluyor araya giriliyor, hem Rusya’ya yaptırımlar vesaire yoluyla gerçi zaten savaşın kendisi bir yıkım ve olağanüstü bir mali iktisadi yıkım demek ve insan gücü sosyolojik açıdan da birtakım olumsuz sonuçları olan bir süreç mutlaka.
Rusya böyle bir işe neden girişti.
Şunun da bir etkisi olması lazım. Dikkat ederseniz uzun bir zamandır Rusya aslında birçok meseleden kazançlı çıkıyor. Belarus’da kazançlı, Gürcistan’da kazançlı, Azerbaycan-Ermenistan çatışmasında kazançlı Karabağ’da kazançlı, oraya Barış Gücü gönderdi. Kazakistan anlaşılmaz bir şekilde iki gün içinde bir ayaklanmayla altüst oldu, Nazarbayev Moskova’ya gitti, orada da Rusya kazançlı çıktı.
Rusya da uzun zamandır nüfuz alanının genişletiyor ve kendisinin önüne hemen hemen hiçbir engel çıkmıyor çıkmamakta. bu durumda sanki Ruslar da Ukrayna’da da kısa zamanda benzer bir sonucu elde edebilecekleri gibi bir hesaba kitaba girmiş, düşünmüş, başvurmuş, böyle bir sonuç elde etmiş ve buna göre harekete geçmiş olabilirler. Bu mümkün ama son zamanlarda Rusya’nın çok rahat hareket etmesi, sanki böyle attığı her adımı rahatlıkla atması ve netice alması kendi açısından pozitif netice alması olgusunu burada göz ardı etmemek gerekiyor.
Diğer yandan Ukrayna’da yine Batı tarafından Amerikalılar İngilizler ve Almanlar daha ziyade Amerikalılar ve İngilizler tarafından işte NATO’ya alınacak, Avrupa’ya alınacak derken gerçi alınması gerçek bir niyet olsa ciddi olarak böyle bir niyet olsa, herhalde çok uzun sürecek bir süreç değildir, karar alınır genel olarak NATO’da, ABD ve İngiltere’nin istediği şey olur, karar çıkardı. NATO’ya dahil edilmedi böyle bir çatışma ortaya çıkarıldı. Ukrayna beklenenden daha fazla uzun süren bir direniş gösterdi, bu savaş belli bir süre içinde ateşkesle de sonuçlanabilir bu mümkün, kısa bir zaman içinde de neticelenebilir. Ancak bu ateşkesin daha sonradan bozulma ihtimali de var.
Yani bu dünyada yeni bir dönemin başlangıcı, dikkat ederseniz bu savaş çıkmadan önce Britanya yani İngiltere pandemi tedbirlerini büyük ölçüde kaldıracağını ilan etti. Çünkü yüksek ihtimalle zaten İngiliz Savunma Bakanlığı raporlar yayınlıyordu, Rusya’nın nasıl işgale başlayacağına dair istihbarat analizlerinin bir kısmını, tabii hepsini değil. Dolayısıyla muhtemelen bu öngörüldü zaten. Savaş ortaya çıkınca da pandemi, ikinci hatta üçüncü dereceden bir mesele olarak kaldı, zaten yeterince uzun sürmüştü, şimdi insanlık savaş dönemine girdi kısmen de olsa.
Dünya büyük bir dönüşümün eşiğinde değil içinde, bu süreci yaşıyor. Bu daha önceden yaşadığımız insanlığın gördüğü Büyük Sanayi Devrimini aşan bir dönüşüm. Dolayısıyla böyle bir dönüşümde Kılıç sözünü söylemeden ve bazı meseleler Kılıç kullanılmadan bir netice alınmaz. İskender’in Gordion düğümünü kılıçla kesmesinin anlamı zaten budur. Bir noktada insanlık burada büyük bir küresel savaşı belki de bertaraf etmek için, ihtimali ortadan kaldırmak için, böyle birkaç bölgesel savaşı yaşamak durumunda.
Bu dolaylı olarak Türkiye’yi de ilgilendiriyor. Çünkü Türkiye doğal olarak bu iki ülke ile de ilişkisi var denizden de olsa Ukrayna ve Rusya ile komşuluğu var. Diğer yandan Rusya ile de Suriye’de münasebetlerimiz var çünkü Rusya Suriye’de de bulunuyor. en mühimi şudur bir soru ortadadır onunla bitiriyoruz. Türkiye’nin garantör olması ihtimalinden söz edilmekte, bunu özellikle Ukrayna’nın istediği söyleniyor. işte Almanya İsrail başka bir iki ülke ile beraber Türkiye böyle bir şey olduğunda, tabiia garantör ülke özellikle zayıf ülke lehine garantördür.
Rusya özellikle ateşkesi bozar ve Ukrayna’ya tekrar saldırırsa daha sonraki zamanlarda, bu ülkeler Ukrayna’yı korumak üzere müdahil olmak durumunda olurlar ki bu bambaşka bir şey olup, bu durumda demek ki Türkiye’nin garantörlük meselesini tekrardan ve birkaç kez ve ciddi olarak düşünmesi gerekir. hepinize saygılar sunuyorum yeniden yeni programlar da görüşmek üzere.
